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Warriorbuilds [Str/Dex], Experiences of myself for Newbies
EisWolf
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Hello everyone.

Because there's alot of rumors, tutorials, guessings, facts and such about the STR vs. DEX facts on warriors [and my mainchar is a warrior himself..], I were, as I began, for sure interested to know what was better.. So in the last 2 weeks I read douzends of Tutorials, Guessings etc. etc while I leveled my main.. Wink This doesnt prevent me from trying my own builds, too, so I know what I speak about.. Smile

Btw, those builds are tested unfounded, means: I didnt try them with Kickass-Items, so I know they work with usual items well. Wink

Okay, to tell some basic facts:

You can reset only twice - at 25.. and at 26 -> 48. 49 [RL 1] = No more resetting as far as I got out yet [my main is 46 now.]

My previous main was a STR-Build with only 10+ CON and more a "tryout" then a real goal. Because I liked DEX-Builds in other games, I started my new Main with the following stats

[Lend from Zanpakutous very good Newbie-Tutorial! Credits for this to him! Smile]

Strength 11
Essence 8
Wisdom 8
Constitution 10
Dexterity 13

I put the stats in like it was written by Zan

RECOMMENDED STAT BUILD AT LEVEL UP
Strength +1
Constitution +1
Dexterity +2

RECOMMENDED STAT BUILD EVERY 6 LEVELS (Losing Self 6, Gathering Chi 12)
Strength +1
Essence +1
Constitution +1
Dexterity +1

RECOMMENDED STAT BUILD AT CHI BREATHING
Strength +2
Essence +1
Constitution +1
Dexterity +2

and my own experience was: It worked great! I could easily knockout oranges, even reds in the beginning [up to level 15] without any serious problems. If you skill like this, then I'm sure you'll never have to ask [if you want to join HD]: "How do I pass the entrance test?!" I got over 1 Minute left on second try. Wink [So if you want to join HD, no matter what you'll become laters on, I suggest you to go like this build!] Btw: I used fists until 25, it's no problem to change to Saber laters on, you don't need the beginning skills anymore after 25. Wink

On 25+, after I've resetted [I put none in ESS/WIS, like 2 in DEX and 1 in STR/CON] DEX slowly got not-so-good anymore.. It still dodged alot, it still got me only a few "Miss"es but it got worse and worse. About my VitPoints: I didnt need ESS because I got around 400 VitPoints through Items. I wouldn't suggest to ever put in ESS your StatPoints, better use Items with +Ess [Hint: Relics..] or just meditate once more. Smile

At around level 32 I stopped this build and tried for ~6 levels different things.. one time more in DEX, other time more in STR. Result: Even slight changes make a big difference. So a bit experimenting can't be bad for you, too! Smile

One thing to be told: As a DEX-Build you'll NEVER do as much damage as STR-Builds, but in the first Phase of "Life" it will make you level ways quicker. After around Level 32 - 35 I guess - IF you want to be PVP, stay like this.. but you'll have a ways harder life because even yellows will hit you pretty often in higher levels and your damage doesnt kill them quick. This means you -can- kill oranges but you have to meditate pretty often then [1-2 Kills]. If you want to level quick, kill quick, being able to tank ALOT of lower things [for a friend, maybe.. or for fun Wink] and even some yellows without probs, then I guess you'll do the same as me.. reset again and go STR...

If you want to go on as a STR-build, put only the minimal amount you need to hit ~85% of the time into DEX [Including Itembonis, not including buffs!], some in CON [depends how much you like. I would put in ~50 with level 50 and keep it [you'll get more bonis through better items/accessoires, later on] and the remaining in STR.

The minimum amount of DEX should be around:

OC - 40
RC - 50
RL - 60
FD - 70
SM - 80
GB -110
EC - 130

[Thanks to Lentz for this! Credits to him, too!]

Another note: I don't like PVPing that much, so I dont tested it well, but this tutorial is meant for Beginners in the game, as a basic "Finding your own way"-Summary. If you want PVP laters on you'll have enough time to choose your path even after 25.. which will probably include more DEX. Wink

Btw: I don't think, STR is bugged. I know that the COLOUR in that Monsters appear to you AFFECTS BOTH DODGE AND DAMAGE! I just don't know how it is calculated. STR-Builds will dodge alot on Light-Blue enemys, without any higher dodge then before as they were green. Same goes for the damage they deal to you.

As a DEX-Build you can't tank Greens very well [they do alot of Damage to you, if they hit.] but you can solo single Oranges. As a STR-Build you can farm Greens/Lightblues/Whites.

I hope this Topic helps you find your own way to your "Perfect Warrior" with a bit less searching [It's a Summary with the impemented own experience].

I might edit this post if something important changes in later levels, but for now - that's it!

Regards,

EisWolf


[Edit: Little FAQ added!]

FAQ:

Q: How's the hitrate with a STR-Build later on [3X - 5X]?
A: Pretty good. With the min. dex posted above you'll not miss that much. If you get a DEX-Buff, you'll not miss more than a DEX-Build.

Q: How's the hitrate with a DEX-Build? What's about the criticals?
A: You'll hit more often than a STR-Build but even with PURE-DEX you WILL MISS sometimes. I couldnt see a big difference between a STR-Build with DEX-Buff and a DEX-Build. Crits.. Oh yea. Okay, listen: STR-Builds do alot of Crits on Green and below Enemys.. Even more if you DONT GOT VIT POINTS LEFT and you just attack them with your active skill.. Wink It's funny but useless. DEX-Build will crit more often but it's not like a 50% Increase. I would say they might crit on every enemy once in an overall summary [if the enemys are white]. On greens and below they'll hit more often.

Q: What about the time it takes for life / vitpoints to run out?
A: They'll almost never run out at the same time - and as a warrior that wouldn't be great, anyways! You should get less Vit then Health [You're Warrior for a reason, ain't you? Or are you a caster? Razz] and so in most cases it takes less time to meditate your vitpoints full then your health. So, if you plan on fighting greens and you use an average of 4 skills with a total of 40 vit per enemy, then plan on getting enough vitpoints / health to get both nearly full at the same time after your fights are done. This will save you ways more time as if they would run OUT the same time. Smile

Q: You Suck! Go home!
A: Thanks, I'll go home after my work for today is done.. Ahh and before I forget it: I dont care. Razz


Last edited by EisWolf on Wed Feb 21, 2007 5:11 am; edited 1 time in total

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Nice guide but i my build (i have a blood demon OC4) is 2 str 1 dex 1 con and i hope to be good in pvp ^^
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fenix5 wrote:
Nice guide but i my build (i have a blood demon OC4) is 2 str 1 dex 1 con and i hope to be good in pvp ^^


Thanks! Smile

Hmm.. I guess you should be ok.. Your build has half DEX/STR Ratio and mine has only like 1/2.3 or something.. Smile If you're not happy with your kills in PVP, then you can adjust it later on, anyways. ^^

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I didnt pvp yet and i have 1500 hp is that low for OC4??

Du bist deutsch oder? edit: dumme frage ...
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Hallo,

Ja, bin deutsch. Wink

1500 Leben ist für das Level gut, meiner Meinung nach. Manche mögen weniger, manche mehr, aber ich würde sagen es ist eine gute Menge. Smile

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ich hab 118 str, 78 dex 70 con und bin RL9, pvp gemacht 3 mal gegen FD2, war kein problem für mich..zund ich glaub nicht das ne waffe soviel aus macht.

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Hallo thexplayer,

nunja.. Wink Dein Build ist ja auch eher ein PVP als ein PVM Build, meiner Meinung nach.

Ich werde nur 60 Dex mit Items auf RL haben, insofern weniger. Mein Con wird ebenfalls weniger sein, so um die 55 - 60 mit Items [die adden ja eher direkt Leben/Vit als Punkte in Con]

Es kommt halt immer darauf an was du planst zu machen. Ich persönlich PVPe nicht wirklich gerne, insofern kann ich mehr in STR setzen ohne Nachteile daraus zu ziehen [denn mit 78 Dex triffst du die Mobs die ich Mobbe auch nicht öfter als mit 60..] aber wenn du gerne PVPst ist das doch vollkommen ok.

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Yay its long, I like reading long guides. Awesome guide, looks like you collected alot of facts for this.
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mh, hät mehr schreiben sollen, jetzt kam das so rüber als würde ich nur pvp machen, das tue ich sehr selten^^
mein char ist auf lvln ausgelegt, hab gut 665 VE, muß erst dann Meditation mache wenn VE alle ist, leider~ ^^

ich kill die bears mit einem ordentlichen killspeed und ab und zu kommt auch mal ein crit zu standen.
ich nutz skills wie Def down, oder greatly hostility rate (erhöht aggro) und noch paar andere mit hohen schaden.
ich find die Dex so wie sie sind bei mir ganz gut, Monster missen recht oft von daher guter lvln build.
mein schaden geht weit über 2k was will man mehr und mit der Def down haust noch mal ordentlich rein:roll:

man muß es glaub erst probiert haben das build um zu wissen wie es ist. ich kann mir vorstellen das dein build gut zum lvln ist, meins aber auch :> man kann eigentlich beim statten kaum was falsch machen. ob ich nun 20 mehr in con mache und die Monster mehr treffen, oder 20 weniger in con und lieber in Dex oder str und die Monster weniger treffen/austeilen.. am ende machen wir zur gleichen zeit Meditation... wenn du verstehst was ich mein ^^

kann dir ja mal mein lvl guide zeigen für anfänger bis oc1 Razz

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Hallo,

genau meine Meinung. Man kann viel variieren, eins wird schlechter, das andere besser.

Wobei ich dazu sagen muss, im Topic ging es ja um die Frage DEX oder STR, und auf höheren Leveln hast als 2:1 DEX/STR verloren.. ausser im PVP. Warum? Weil's dann unausgewogen ist. Hingegen ist 2/1 STR/DEX noch vertretbar [wenngleich 2,3 - 2,5/1 besser ist - für mich] Razz Aber ich mein wenns wem Spass macht zu PVPen dann kann er meinetwegen auch Pure Dex gehen, des Tut sollte Beginnern ja nur zeigen was sie erwartet. Wink

Leveln kannst mit jedem einigermaßen brauchbaren Build...

Schreib' mir mal dein Build von 1 => 25 oder so.. würd mich interessieren ^^

Gruss,

EisWolf

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"Bis zu Opening 1,
hierzu empfield sich 2 str 1 dex 1 con bei jedem lvl
Essence nur aller Paar lvl mal"

zu str muß ich sagen, leider gibt str nur mehr damage... bei def gibts anscheinend noch bugs
mit 900 def macht gegner 70-80 schaden mit 1200 auch..also stimmt da leider was nicht und acclaim will das ich immer bilder schicke
am ende sagen die zu mir sie können auf dem bild nix erkennen..haben sie schon 2 mal..ich werd den auch nie mehr bei bugs helfen Evil or Very Mad

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Hallo,

am besten machst einen Screenshot in 1280 x 1024 und resamplest ihn mit PhotoShop o.ä. auf 4XXX x 3XXX Razz

Wenn sie dann nix sehen können, haben wir wenigstens eine plausible Erklärung zum Thema "Wie kommen die Bugs in die Patches?" oder "Wieso ruckelt das Game nach dem Patch? Wurde das nicht gesehen?" Blind coden ist halt.. scheisse. Razz

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das erinnert mich an lought and louds oder wie die comedy sendung heist.

da war ne blinde polizistin mit blindenhund und hat zettel an die autos gemacht das die leute im parkverbot stehen.
weil ne blinde sowas sehen kann XDXD
"my dog says your car.... XD"

bzw, auf welchem server bist? steht net in deiner Signatur, und wieso kommst net zu uns :> wir sind nen riesen shaolin clan ^^
und nochwas, kennst du den fehler mit der defense auch?

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Hallo,

ich bin auf dem EU-Server. Smile [Hab's nun auch in die Sig reingeschrieben]

Wegen den Shaolin: Bin ein Dämon bei den Dämonen, als Shaolin wäre ich ziemlich fehl am Platz, ich respektiere sie dennoch [als ehrenvolle Feinde]. Razz

Den Fehler mit der Defense... Ist meines Erachtens nicht wirklich ein Fehler. Die Mobs machen einen relativ "random" Schaden, der unter Anderem auch sehr STARK von ihrer Farbe dir gegenüber beeinflusst wird. Viel stärker als durch deine Defense.. nebenbei machen verschiedene gelbe Mobs auch total verschiedene Schadensmengen an dir, was ich seltsam finde aber okay, ist ja nicht mein Spiel. Wink

Mehr Defense lässt dich durchaus weniger Schaden bekommen, jedoch nicht bei jedem Monster, soweit ich das sehe. Auch dort gibt es Unterschiede, selbst bei gleicher Farbe dir gegenüber. Möglicherweise haben die Monster so etwas wie ein "Beeinflusster-Schaden-durch-STR-Level" oder ähnliches, kann dazu nichts sagen.

Ich würde sagen: Abwarten, hoffentlich erhöhen sie die Wirkung von Defense, das wäre echt hilfreich, da gebe ich dir Recht. Wink

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Habs ja an den selben monstern getestet, und wenn es echt ein str beeinflussenden unterschied gibt, sind defense pills nutzlos o.O

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