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Is this type of grinding fair?
Yes, as later on monsters will catch up with heals.
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No, as chi-kung artists and warriors can't do the same.
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It should be considered as an exploit.
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CoC no herbs?
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Was just making some early experiences with my healer lately in the Cave of Conquerors and I actually tried standing it without herbs. She's still grinding in CC1, and her life is about 2.2k buffed (minimum cons with FD relics), which makes the poison retire 220 hp/ 3 seconds. Since my healing skill is maxed (maxed it with 4x xp Smile ) I heal 428 hp per 3 seconds for 15 seconds, which makes me a 208 spare hp per 3 seconds, if you followed right and made the maths, that's what it gives.

When trying actual training, I found out it was actually going pretty smoothly and I was able to grind pretty easily without herbs at the monks, given a good strenght-based build and its high defense. My HP would not go down unless I forgot to heal, which led me to think that for grinding leaving my HP in under 4.2k (which would retrieve HP as fast as I heal and thus I would get killed by monster hits over time) I would have the advantages of the CoC drops and experience without the herb expense. Makes sense logically, but ethically, does it? Give me your feedback. Smile

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I would save my VE, Besides When pker comes to you, You are dead!! Twisted Evil

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I would save my VE, Besides When pker comes to you, You are dead!! Twisted Evil

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That's not what I call flaming lol. And usually Pker's don't attack in CoC, it's a waste of herbs and you get whole hero bands on your back when you do. Anyway someone entering CoC masked in bardo, my server, is considered as a potential Wei KSer and thus killed on sight, so on this point, it's not that bad. I died once from a pker, it was a griefer on top of that, and I swear that she must have lost over 300 Karma.
As for the pointless idea, I'm not sure how you can think of this as a pointless idea. Using no herbs saves me the time of getting them from chests and it also uncrowds them for warriors and nukers who indeed need them absolutely. That time saved is precious. I could grind elsewhere without bothering with constant healings? That's true, but that's also less exp and less good drops. If there is something I am missing that anyhow makes this pointless, please point it out. Smile

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If you feel you are better off overall without herbs then go for it. Each and every role should maximize their advantages, that is part of the game. You will likely run into some mobs which make that more difficult.
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it only works if you hp is around 3k or so and you have advanced meditation. i heard Nguoi on Nirvana did this all the way until the GB level before she started farming for herbs.

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at fc lvl's is imposible, you must stay way to much in coc and to do like your way .... you realy must have some big nerves to not get your keyboard and trow it in your monitor. Very Happy

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I only ever go into CC without herbs is when I run to CC4...then I take herbs.

Remember, some mobs can stun you, silence you, give you disrupted nerves. So you have to be careful with that, but if you think you can manage it without herbs, then go for it. Herbs are so hard to farm these days it's actually not a bad idea.

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wow, i'd never thought of doing that. it's certainly feasible with a good heal - altho it might be like what wild tower was like before the freeze bug: far too much hard work watching hp bars all the time >.<.

as myst says, you'd have to avoid those mobs that have attacks that disrupt healing - stuns, silence and nerves; and you'd need to be careful with mobs that bloed that the combination of bleed, damage and poison doesn't exceed yr ability to heal; you'd also have to remember to heal before you med. with those caveats however, this is certainly feasible.

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well a healer now dont need to med .... if he have right relics + hat from dungeon Very Happy

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I think the effect becomes stronger on each level- you can certainly do this on cc1 but by cc3 combined with bleeding I think you would be struggling and by cc4 you are going to die. But you can certainly try it- it takes a lot of concentration to pull it off.

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its possible in CC3 because i survived there with about 3.5k or so hp fully buffed with no problem at all. i'm sure you can survive down there fully buffed with about 2.8k hp but you might have a bit of trouble if 4 mobs get you at once.

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Go For It!!!

It's your hp/ve...

AND LOL -- more herbs for me... (if i was on your server)
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I say do it as much as you can get away with. You will have to keep your health lower to do it.

I have gone for maybe a minute or more in CC after herb ran out before I realized why my health was dropping. As you get deeper the mobs hit harder and there is alot of bleed and even some stun and nerves. I suspect you will die alot if you try it in those mobs.

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As I stated, low health is an advantage. Of course, you can't even think about fighting silence or stun mobs. Bleeding is fine though. As for the higher levels, eventually I won't be able to train anymore. Until then, I keep on collecting herbs normally like I needed them and they stack up in my inventory for later. For PKers... I got griefed once. That person met my main char. You know what it means. Wink
Anyways, entering CoC with a mask is Kill on sight in my book.

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Bleeding is fine though.

I believe you will hit a point where poison + bleed + 3 mobs hitting > heal.
Though I do run over 4K health so maybe with less you can do better.

When my health drops to 50% I generally wake up enough to figure out my herb ended. Laughing

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